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  1. #126
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    I know, wrong thread here

    @Paul whenever you do the update for "not wiping the fs", which seems to need a bootloader-update -
    an additional feature that allows to write an binary filesystem image (ideally, independed of the type of fs) would be fantastic.
    Teensyloader could do that, too. (can write a binary file, provided by other tools, to the new flash area)

    Thanks, now back to the web site updates :-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frank B View Post
    I think people who need to know this are smart enough to take a look at the linker files generated symbol files or can just print addresses in a sketch.. You can't document everything on such a page. It would need several pages if you want to go down to that level.
    It is easy to confuse beginners with too much information.
    Frank,

    As I mentioned, it was unclear how much information is useful to a majority of users. And yes I do look at things like linker scripts.

    But I mentioned the starting addresses and this diagram says there are 4 memory regions, which there is sort of.

    However RAM1 is sort of confusing, it looks like there is one memory space of 512KB, which there sort of is, but if you look at the linker scripts:
    Code:
    MEMORY
    {
    	ITCM (rwx):  ORIGIN = 0x00000000, LENGTH = 512K
    	DTCM (rwx):  ORIGIN = 0x20000000, LENGTH = 512K
    	RAM (rwx):   ORIGIN = 0x20200000, LENGTH = 512K
    	FLASH (rwx): ORIGIN = 0x60000000, LENGTH = 7936K
    	ERAM (rwx):  ORIGIN = 0x70000000, LENGTH = 16384K
    }
    It shows there are 5 memory regions. And shows ITCM and DTCM both being 512K in size...

    The diagram looks like the ITCM and DTCM are contiguous in memory and they sort of are, BUT their addresses are not...

    Again I agree with you that going into into details could be confusing. But wonder at times if giving hints to users where to look might be helpful.

    Likewise in this case I wonder if we can and/or should easily unify naming:

    Example, with Diagram versus Linker scripts...
    RAM1 vs ITCM/DTCM
    RAM2 vs RAM
    FLASH
    PSRAM vs ERAM

    As for beginners versus normal users, versus power users, I agree with you that it is difficult to find the right balance. Wonder over time may need to create secondary pages with more of the details or not... Or maybe adding something like links to get more information or things defined might help. There are already tons of terminology and the like, that probably many of the users may not fully understand.

    Like, what is:
    Tightly Coupled? (There is a section)
    QSPI?
    DMA?
    RTC?
    ...

    But again I do like where this is going as these pages at least give users some idea of some the functionality and hints on where to find more information.

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    Pages for all 6 of the 32 bit Teensy boards are now in the new format. All are still missing some info, but probably ok for now.

    The last thing on my urgent documentation list is pinout diagrams for the back side of the Teensy 4.1 card and also the web page. Going to start work on that later today and keep going until it's done. New card printing needs to get ordered in the next week or two, since we're due to run out of the old 4.1 cards in about 4-5 weeks.

    After the 4.1 card is completed, I'm going to switch focus for a while, to get the 4.x bootloader chips released and if not add support for encrypted firmware, at least make sure we have a viable path to supporting it (before so many chips get soldered to people's custom boards).

    That's going to mean a pause in website updates. So many important points have been raised on this thread. We do need a lot more documentation. I will return to website updates, but please understand I'm going to switch away from website updates for a while, since so many people are waiting for those chips to make custom boards.

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    Will be great having the T_4.1 card backside for ref - and better answering of the unmarked pins!

    Also nice if the stars are aligned to get the 1062's stand alone bootloader worked out now with latest info and function of the HAB finally seen.

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    @Paul - sounds great, yes the pages are coming along nicely! Also would be great to have an updated T4.1 card. Let us know if there is any thing we can do to help.

    Side note with T4.1 and PSRAM pages:
    Would be nice to maybe have link to datasheet for PSRAM in either the T4.1 page or actually on the PSRAM page: (https://www.pjrc.com/store/psram.html)
    Note, right now I am working off of the one linked to on the Adafruit product page: https://cdn-shop.adafruit.com/produc...tasheet_en.pdf

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    Would be nice to have the Hardware-Serial CTS- Pins listed. If not possible on the card, maybe on the Website, at least?
    I wrote a short program to print them.
    T4: Looks like it 0,1,2,3,4,5, 7,8 for all ports, plus 19 for Serial3(< ??? why that?)
    Code:
    Serial1:
    Pin 00 CTS:OK RTS:OK
    Pin 01 CTS:OK RTS:OK
    Pin 02 CTS:OK RTS:OK
    Pin 03 CTS:OK RTS:OK
    Pin 04 CTS:OK RTS:OK
    Pin 05 CTS:OK RTS:OK
    Pin 06 CTS:   RTS:OK
    Pin 07 CTS:OK RTS:OK
    Pin 08 CTS:OK RTS:OK
    Pin 09 CTS:   RTS:OK
    Pin 10 CTS:   RTS:OK
    Pin 11 CTS:   RTS:OK
    Pin 12 CTS:   RTS:OK
    Pin 13 CTS:   RTS:OK
    Pin 14 CTS:   RTS:OK
    Pin 15 CTS:   RTS:OK
    Pin 16 CTS:   RTS:OK
    Pin 17 CTS:   RTS:OK
    Pin 18 CTS:   RTS:OK
    Pin 19 CTS:   RTS:OK
    Pin 20 CTS:   RTS:OK
    Pin 21 CTS:   RTS:OK
    Pin 22 CTS:   RTS:OK
    Pin 23 CTS:   RTS:OK
    Pin 24 CTS:   RTS:OK
    Pin 25 CTS:   RTS:OK
    Pin 26 CTS:   RTS:OK
    Pin 27 CTS:   RTS:OK
    Pin 28 CTS:   RTS:OK
    Pin 29 CTS:   RTS:OK
    Pin 30 CTS:OK RTS:OK
    Pin 31 CTS:OK RTS:OK
    Pin 32 CTS:OK RTS:OK
    Pin 33 CTS:OK RTS:OK
    Pin 34 CTS:   RTS:OK
    Pin 35 CTS:   RTS:OK
    Pin 36 CTS:OK RTS:OK
    Pin 37 CTS:OK RTS:OK
    Pin 38 CTS:   RTS:OK
    Pin 39 CTS:   RTS:OK
    Pin 40 CTS:   RTS:OK
    Pin 41 CTS:   RTS:OK
    Serial2:
    Pin 00 CTS:OK RTS:OK
    Pin 01 CTS:OK RTS:OK
    Pin 02 CTS:OK RTS:OK
    Pin 03 CTS:OK RTS:OK
    Pin 04 CTS:OK RTS:OK
    Pin 05 CTS:OK RTS:OK
    Pin 06 CTS:   RTS:OK
    Pin 07 CTS:OK RTS:OK
    Pin 08 CTS:OK RTS:OK
    Pin 09 CTS:   RTS:OK
    Pin 10 CTS:   RTS:OK
    Pin 11 CTS:   RTS:OK
    Pin 12 CTS:   RTS:OK
    Pin 13 CTS:   RTS:OK
    Pin 14 CTS:   RTS:OK
    Pin 15 CTS:   RTS:OK
    Pin 16 CTS:   RTS:OK
    Pin 17 CTS:   RTS:OK
    Pin 18 CTS:   RTS:OK
    Pin 19 CTS:   RTS:OK
    Pin 20 CTS:   RTS:OK
    Pin 21 CTS:   RTS:OK
    Pin 22 CTS:   RTS:OK
    Pin 23 CTS:   RTS:OK
    Pin 24 CTS:   RTS:OK
    Pin 25 CTS:   RTS:OK
    Pin 26 CTS:   RTS:OK
    Pin 27 CTS:   RTS:OK
    Pin 28 CTS:   RTS:OK
    Pin 29 CTS:   RTS:OK
    Pin 30 CTS:OK RTS:OK
    Pin 31 CTS:OK RTS:OK
    Pin 32 CTS:OK RTS:OK
    Pin 33 CTS:OK RTS:OK
    Pin 34 CTS:   RTS:OK
    Pin 35 CTS:   RTS:OK
    Pin 36 CTS:OK RTS:OK
    Pin 37 CTS:OK RTS:OK
    Pin 38 CTS:   RTS:OK
    Pin 39 CTS:   RTS:OK
    Pin 40 CTS:   RTS:OK
    Pin 41 CTS:   RTS:OK
    Serial3:
    Pin 00 CTS:OK RTS:OK
    Pin 01 CTS:OK RTS:OK
    Pin 02 CTS:OK RTS:OK
    Pin 03 CTS:OK RTS:OK
    Pin 04 CTS:OK RTS:OK
    Pin 05 CTS:OK RTS:OK
    Pin 06 CTS:   RTS:OK
    Pin 07 CTS:OK RTS:OK
    Pin 08 CTS:OK RTS:OK
    Pin 09 CTS:   RTS:OK
    Pin 10 CTS:   RTS:OK
    Pin 11 CTS:   RTS:OK
    Pin 12 CTS:   RTS:OK
    Pin 13 CTS:   RTS:OK
    Pin 14 CTS:   RTS:OK
    Pin 15 CTS:   RTS:OK
    Pin 16 CTS:   RTS:OK
    Pin 17 CTS:   RTS:OK
    Pin 18 CTS:   RTS:OK
    Pin 19 CTS:OK RTS:OK
    Pin 20 CTS:   RTS:OK
    Pin 21 CTS:   RTS:OK
    Pin 22 CTS:   RTS:OK
    Pin 23 CTS:   RTS:OK
    Pin 24 CTS:   RTS:OK
    Pin 25 CTS:   RTS:OK
    Pin 26 CTS:   RTS:OK
    Pin 27 CTS:   RTS:OK
    Pin 28 CTS:   RTS:OK
    Pin 29 CTS:   RTS:OK
    Pin 30 CTS:OK RTS:OK
    Pin 31 CTS:OK RTS:OK
    Pin 32 CTS:OK RTS:OK
    Pin 33 CTS:OK RTS:OK
    Pin 34 CTS:   RTS:OK
    Pin 35 CTS:   RTS:OK
    Pin 36 CTS:OK RTS:OK
    Pin 37 CTS:OK RTS:OK
    Pin 38 CTS:   RTS:OK
    Pin 39 CTS:   RTS:OK
    Pin 40 CTS:   RTS:OK
    Pin 41 CTS:   RTS:OK
    Serial4:
    Pin 00 CTS:OK RTS:OK
    Pin 01 CTS:OK RTS:OK
    Pin 02 CTS:OK RTS:OK
    Pin 03 CTS:OK RTS:OK
    Pin 04 CTS:OK RTS:OK
    Pin 05 CTS:OK RTS:OK
    Pin 06 CTS:   RTS:OK
    Pin 07 CTS:OK RTS:OK
    Pin 08 CTS:OK RTS:OK
    Pin 09 CTS:   RTS:OK
    Pin 10 CTS:   RTS:OK
    Pin 11 CTS:   RTS:OK
    Pin 12 CTS:   RTS:OK
    Pin 13 CTS:   RTS:OK
    Pin 14 CTS:   RTS:OK
    Pin 15 CTS:   RTS:OK
    Pin 16 CTS:   RTS:OK
    Pin 17 CTS:   RTS:OK
    Pin 18 CTS:   RTS:OK
    Pin 19 CTS:   RTS:OK
    Pin 20 CTS:   RTS:OK
    Pin 21 CTS:   RTS:OK
    Pin 22 CTS:   RTS:OK
    Pin 23 CTS:   RTS:OK
    Pin 24 CTS:   RTS:OK
    Pin 25 CTS:   RTS:OK
    Pin 26 CTS:   RTS:OK
    Pin 27 CTS:   RTS:OK
    Pin 28 CTS:   RTS:OK
    Pin 29 CTS:   RTS:OK
    Pin 30 CTS:OK RTS:OK
    Pin 31 CTS:OK RTS:OK
    Pin 32 CTS:OK RTS:OK
    Pin 33 CTS:OK RTS:OK
    Pin 34 CTS:   RTS:OK
    Pin 35 CTS:   RTS:OK
    Pin 36 CTS:OK RTS:OK
    Pin 37 CTS:OK RTS:OK
    Pin 38 CTS:   RTS:OK
    Pin 39 CTS:   RTS:OK
    Pin 40 CTS:   RTS:OK
    Pin 41 CTS:   RTS:OK
    Serial5:
    Pin 00 CTS:OK RTS:OK
    Pin 01 CTS:OK RTS:OK
    Pin 02 CTS:OK RTS:OK
    Pin 03 CTS:OK RTS:OK
    Pin 04 CTS:OK RTS:OK
    Pin 05 CTS:OK RTS:OK
    Pin 06 CTS:   RTS:OK
    Pin 07 CTS:OK RTS:OK
    Pin 08 CTS:OK RTS:OK
    Pin 09 CTS:   RTS:OK
    Pin 10 CTS:   RTS:OK
    Pin 11 CTS:   RTS:OK
    Pin 12 CTS:   RTS:OK
    Pin 13 CTS:   RTS:OK
    Pin 14 CTS:   RTS:OK
    Pin 15 CTS:   RTS:OK
    Pin 16 CTS:   RTS:OK
    Pin 17 CTS:   RTS:OK
    Pin 18 CTS:   RTS:OK
    Pin 19 CTS:   RTS:OK
    Pin 20 CTS:   RTS:OK
    Pin 21 CTS:   RTS:OK
    Pin 22 CTS:   RTS:OK
    Pin 23 CTS:   RTS:OK
    Pin 24 CTS:   RTS:OK
    Pin 25 CTS:   RTS:OK
    Pin 26 CTS:   RTS:OK
    Pin 27 CTS:   RTS:OK
    Pin 28 CTS:   RTS:OK
    Pin 29 CTS:   RTS:OK
    Pin 30 CTS:OK RTS:OK
    Pin 31 CTS:OK RTS:OK
    Pin 32 CTS:OK RTS:OK
    Pin 33 CTS:OK RTS:OK
    Pin 34 CTS:   RTS:OK
    Pin 35 CTS:   RTS:OK
    Pin 36 CTS:OK RTS:OK
    Pin 37 CTS:OK RTS:OK
    Pin 38 CTS:   RTS:OK
    Pin 39 CTS:   RTS:OK
    Pin 40 CTS:   RTS:OK
    Pin 41 CTS:   RTS:OK
    Serial6:
    Pin 00 CTS:OK RTS:OK
    Pin 01 CTS:OK RTS:OK
    Pin 02 CTS:OK RTS:OK
    Pin 03 CTS:OK RTS:OK
    Pin 04 CTS:OK RTS:OK
    Pin 05 CTS:OK RTS:OK
    Pin 06 CTS:   RTS:OK
    Pin 07 CTS:OK RTS:OK
    Pin 08 CTS:OK RTS:OK
    Pin 09 CTS:   RTS:OK
    Pin 10 CTS:   RTS:OK
    Pin 11 CTS:   RTS:OK
    Pin 12 CTS:   RTS:OK
    Pin 13 CTS:   RTS:OK
    Pin 14 CTS:   RTS:OK
    Pin 15 CTS:   RTS:OK
    Pin 16 CTS:   RTS:OK
    Pin 17 CTS:   RTS:OK
    Pin 18 CTS:   RTS:OK
    Pin 19 CTS:   RTS:OK
    Pin 20 CTS:   RTS:OK
    Pin 21 CTS:   RTS:OK
    Pin 22 CTS:   RTS:OK
    Pin 23 CTS:   RTS:OK
    Pin 24 CTS:   RTS:OK
    Pin 25 CTS:   RTS:OK
    Pin 26 CTS:   RTS:OK
    Pin 27 CTS:   RTS:OK
    Pin 28 CTS:   RTS:OK
    Pin 29 CTS:   RTS:OK
    Pin 30 CTS:OK RTS:OK
    Pin 31 CTS:OK RTS:OK
    Pin 32 CTS:OK RTS:OK
    Pin 33 CTS:OK RTS:OK
    Pin 34 CTS:   RTS:OK
    Pin 35 CTS:   RTS:OK
    Pin 36 CTS:OK RTS:OK
    Pin 37 CTS:OK RTS:OK
    Pin 38 CTS:   RTS:OK
    Pin 39 CTS:   RTS:OK
    Pin 40 CTS:   RTS:OK
    Pin 41 CTS:   RTS:OK
    Serial7:
    Pin 00 CTS:OK RTS:OK
    Pin 01 CTS:OK RTS:OK
    Pin 02 CTS:OK RTS:OK
    Pin 03 CTS:OK RTS:OK
    Pin 04 CTS:OK RTS:OK
    Pin 05 CTS:OK RTS:OK
    Pin 06 CTS:   RTS:OK
    Pin 07 CTS:OK RTS:OK
    Pin 08 CTS:OK RTS:OK
    Pin 09 CTS:   RTS:OK
    Pin 10 CTS:   RTS:OK
    Pin 11 CTS:   RTS:OK
    Pin 12 CTS:   RTS:OK
    Pin 13 CTS:   RTS:OK
    Pin 14 CTS:   RTS:OK
    Pin 15 CTS:   RTS:OK
    Pin 16 CTS:   RTS:OK
    Pin 17 CTS:   RTS:OK
    Pin 18 CTS:   RTS:OK
    Pin 19 CTS:   RTS:OK
    Pin 20 CTS:   RTS:OK
    Pin 21 CTS:   RTS:OK
    Pin 22 CTS:   RTS:OK
    Pin 23 CTS:   RTS:OK
    Pin 24 CTS:   RTS:OK
    Pin 25 CTS:   RTS:OK
    Pin 26 CTS:   RTS:OK
    Pin 27 CTS:   RTS:OK
    Pin 28 CTS:   RTS:OK
    Pin 29 CTS:   RTS:OK
    Pin 30 CTS:OK RTS:OK
    Pin 31 CTS:OK RTS:OK
    Pin 32 CTS:OK RTS:OK
    Pin 33 CTS:OK RTS:OK
    Pin 34 CTS:   RTS:OK
    Pin 35 CTS:   RTS:OK
    Pin 36 CTS:OK RTS:OK
    Pin 37 CTS:OK RTS:OK
    Pin 38 CTS:   RTS:OK
    Pin 39 CTS:   RTS:OK
    Pin 40 CTS:   RTS:OK
    Pin 41 CTS:   RTS:OK
    Serial8:
    Pin 00 CTS:OK RTS:OK
    Pin 01 CTS:OK RTS:OK
    Pin 02 CTS:OK RTS:OK
    Pin 03 CTS:OK RTS:OK
    Pin 04 CTS:OK RTS:OK
    Pin 05 CTS:OK RTS:OK
    Pin 06 CTS:   RTS:OK
    Pin 07 CTS:OK RTS:OK
    Pin 08 CTS:OK RTS:OK
    Pin 09 CTS:   RTS:OK
    Pin 10 CTS:   RTS:OK
    Pin 11 CTS:   RTS:OK
    Pin 12 CTS:   RTS:OK
    Pin 13 CTS:   RTS:OK
    Pin 14 CTS:   RTS:OK
    Pin 15 CTS:   RTS:OK
    Pin 16 CTS:   RTS:OK
    Pin 17 CTS:   RTS:OK
    Pin 18 CTS:   RTS:OK
    Pin 19 CTS:   RTS:OK
    Pin 20 CTS:   RTS:OK
    Pin 21 CTS:   RTS:OK
    Pin 22 CTS:   RTS:OK
    Pin 23 CTS:   RTS:OK
    Pin 24 CTS:   RTS:OK
    Pin 25 CTS:   RTS:OK
    Pin 26 CTS:   RTS:OK
    Pin 27 CTS:   RTS:OK
    Pin 28 CTS:   RTS:OK
    Pin 29 CTS:   RTS:OK
    Pin 30 CTS:OK RTS:OK
    Pin 31 CTS:OK RTS:OK
    Pin 32 CTS:OK RTS:OK
    Pin 33 CTS:OK RTS:OK
    Pin 34 CTS:   RTS:OK
    Pin 35 CTS:   RTS:OK
    Pin 36 CTS:OK RTS:OK
    Pin 37 CTS:OK RTS:OK
    Pin 38 CTS:   RTS:OK
    Pin 39 CTS:   RTS:OK
    Pin 40 CTS:   RTS:OK
    Pin 41 CTS:   RTS:OK
    Last edited by Frank B; 01-15-2021 at 09:07 PM.

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    The serial page lists the pins supported by Teensyduino 1.53.

    Kurt added support for the XBAR pins, and other nice features like addMemoryForRead(), but that stuff hasn't yet made any non-beta release. And yeah, a stable release is overdue....

    I've learned the hard way about how much pain & confusion is cased by updating those pages with info that's still only in beta. I'm waiting to add this info until 1.54 is released.

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    Ah, ok the 4.0/4.1 CTS/RTS pins are not supported before 1.54? Good to know.

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    @Paul - possible to add a note for NativeEthernet on the T_4.1 hardware page? The hardware is discussed - but no link to the library to use for support ... recent user post made note of that ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frank B View Post
    Ah, ok the 4.0/4.1 CTS/RTS pins are not supported before 1.54? Good to know.
    RTS should work on any digital pin (as the web page documents). Only CTS is scarce.

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    Looking at : https://www.pjrc.com/store/teensy41_pins.html
    it has 4.0 text : "Teensy 4.0 can be programmed using the Arduino IDE with Teensyduino add-on."
    > The 4.1 PINS page might have a link to the T_4.1 page for the updated details page.

    Also on page : https://www.pjrc.com/teensy/troubleshoot.html
    Bottom of the page has typo : Windows: Teensyuino Installer Unable To Write
    > and only time Windows shows me this is because the program is open - or failed to fully exit

    For Teensy cards that may point to :: pjrc.com/help which resolves to : Troubleshooting common problems with the Teensy USB development board (pjrc.com)
    • Would a top link to ALL Devices lead to a good way to find device specific details? Spec/images/…
    • That page could use some love: one Teensy loader note is 1.07 – T_2 and 3.0 are most noted – it mentions T_LC but also 3.1 and 3.2 minimally.

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    In the GUI Audio design tool, the output I2S object lists:
    Code:
    Compatible DAC Chips:
    
    PCM5102A
    PCM1808
    PCM5242
    CS4344
    The PCM1808 should be listed as a compatible ADC chip in the input I2S object instead.

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    T3.2 page:
    Specifications

    ARM Cortex-M4 at 72 MHz
    256K Flash, 256K RAM, 2K EEPROM
    Where the page: https://www.pjrc.com/teensy/techspecs.html
    says it has 64KB

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    Quote Originally Posted by KurtE View Post
    T3.2 page:
    Opps, yup, a copy & paste mistake while updating the new version. Fixed it just now.

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    The Teensyduino download page: https://www.pjrc.com/teensy/teensyduino.html
    All communication is performed at full native 12 Mbit/sec USB speed. Serial includes built-in flow control, so the effective speed will be as fast as your code can read, but unlike Arduino, you will not lose incoming data if your sketch does not use Serial.read() quickly. When implementing Serial mode, maximum speeds of approximately 1 Mbit/sec are commonly achievable
    T4.x - ... 480...

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    Already here? From another thread and noted on TD1.54 Beta6 thread by FrankB:


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    @PaulStoffregen - The Color Touch screen page(https://www.pjrc.com/store/display_ili9341_touch.html) and/or many of the ili9341_t3 library examples should be updated (either code or comments) or removed that are not setup to work with the the PRJC display.

    This includes:

    breakouttouchpaint which:#include "TouchScreen.h"
    onoffbutton which: #include <Adafruit_STMPE610.h>
    onoffbutton_breakout.ino: #include <TouchScreen.h>
    touchpaint.ino: <Adafruit_STMPE610.h>

    Note: I have a version of the touchpaint (touchpaint_xpt2046) that I earlier converted to XPT2046 library
    Which I yesterday posted a version which I have not run in awhile but did compile in the thread: https://forum.pjrc.com/threads/66209...l=1#post270165

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