Question about the pilot flame circuit (December 2017 article)

gbgb

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I guess this is a direct question to Paul, nevertheless I thought it would be proper to ask it here and not send a private email.

I am currently trying to design a flame sensing circuit so I was very happy to find this article and I try to use the information in it as the basis for my design (https://www.pjrc.com/pilot-light-flame-sensor-for-burning-man-art/).


Actually I am interested in the AC generation + flame sensing section only without the ignition and valve control.
However there is something that I seem not to understand in the AC generation section - since there is no schematic in the article I used the PCB Gerber to understand it, so I could have missed something.

My circuit is 24V based but I think that this should affect the design only marginally (maybe only the transformer ratio).
I intend to generate the sine wave using a pair of op-amps - one acting as a square wave generator and the second as a LPF - so this would replace what was done in the article design with the Teensy DAC + low pass filter + opamp.
This sine wave will go into the transistors pair buffer as in the article.

Now comes something that was not mentioned in the article and I am not sure if I understand it:
The transistor buffer output goes through a series connected 100 uF capacitor + 10 Ohm resistor into the transformer - I assume that this is in order to create an AC coupled circuit so that the resulting AC will ride around 0V (otherwise, I guess, the whole rectification phenomenon is useless, especially since both sides of the transformer share a common ground). Also, if I understand correctly the transformer is installed with the primary facing the output.

However when I run this circuit in a simulator (Tina-TI) I get at the input to the transformer voltage signals that make no sense - attenuated and distorted instead of amplified (obviously the transformer output follows these signals) . This could be due to improper parameters to the simulator (most probably the transformer), but I would like to make sure that I did understand correctly.
I also noticed that the same output also feedbacks to signal generator opamp via a 100K resistor, which is something that I did not understand either.

Could you please clarify the AC signal amplifying?

Thanks
 
reviving this old thread...

Im working on a hobby/art project and starting my design using the flame sensor in the above referenced article. I've built it as designed and it is working perfectly. my next step is to modify/add to the design to make it suit my needs. If would be really helpful if there was a schematic for the as-built design in the article. Does anyone have this schematic? I believe the original author of the article and designer of the project was Paul Stoffregen.

Pete
 
These is no schematic. I never created one.

If you try to draw based on following the PCB as much as possible, and publish it on a public site with open source or creative common notice, I'll take a look and try to check against the PCB. But just to be realistic, the project is about 5 years old and a lot has happened since then...
 
Hi, I am keen to make the flame senor. Anyone made the project or variations on it? What parts are available from PJRC to construct this project? Teensy LC, PCB etc...
 
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